Consider the following:
"I don't know what it is about hate and violence that people like so much. Whenever there is a fight at my school hundreds of kids run to see someone get beat up. I've seen kids climb trees to get a better view. No one tries to break it up until a teacher or security guard comes around. Who knows what makes people like violence. Maybe it's television, maybe it's the violence in the streets, maybe it's human nature." (Ali Carter)
What makes people like violence? Refer to what you may have gained from the Museum of Tolerance visit; use your own experience; make specific and insightful reference to your primary text.
(NOTE: Due to the computer issues at K/D, you will have until 5pm on Monday, June 1st to post your response to this blog.)
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- This year marks the thirteenth year of my career with King/Drew Magnet High School of Medicine and Science, as well as my life in the Los Angeles area. Though I was born and raised in Honolulu, Hawai'i and earned my first degree in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania (Carnegie Mellon University) this school and its faculty and students have a very special place in my heart. It is my hope that this blogspot provides another avenue for current and former K/D Family members to discuss topics both academic and personal.
I think that all high schools have this problem and i know that people want to watch these fights. People want to see these fights because they have nothing better to do. When these people fight they are fighting maybe because of rumors or gossip. In the Museum of Tolerance I've learned that the Nzi group blamed the Jews and turned them into scapegoats because they knew that everyone would follow along with them. In last weeks blog, it talked about how if we knew more knowledge of other people there may be less bystanders. The people who are watching these fights are the bystanders who just want to instigate and know who's getting beat up for something stupid."I've seen kids climb trees to get a better view." This little exerpt from Carter's statement shows how far bystanders would go to see a silly fight in which they could also get in trouble.
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ReplyDeleteRemember to refer to something specific to your primary text (whether it is the "Facing History and Ourselves" text for Mr. Wood's class or any of the other texts for Mr. Segal's class). Share facts, information, anecdotes; be insightful and make strong connections.
Briana Little
ReplyDeleteHonestly, I really can say that I don't think that a fight at school is considered violence. To me violence is using weapons or a weapon with force, to kill or danger someone. "No one tries to break it up until a teacher or security guard comes around." I can't get mad at kids who don't break up fights, whatever student said that, I'm sorry but come on do you go and break up every fight you see. No, because then someone could start fighting you. Now if its your friend, you should break it up, you never stand on the sidelines watching your friend fight, or get beat up, that's just wrong. I don't think anybody actually likes violence per say. People may just be brain washed that what they are doing is right, and better for the world, and others may percieve it as violence. Now the Museum of Tolerance is a great example, because Hitler and all of his adherents thought that he was doing this for the better of mankind, and the world. He believed getting rid of the Jews was the best thing to do beacuse they were corrupt. He didn't think he was doing violence, he thought he was doing something he should be honored for. Nobody actually likes violence, they just like to do what they think is right. It may seem bad to others or be violence, but not everyone percieves it the same way.
Braiana Little, continued from above
ReplyDeleteAnd in using an example form our text Facing History ourselves, this violence can relate to stereotypes. Like how some think that blacks and latinos like violence. They may think that were the source of it. As reading 4 states about the different stereotypes different races face.
Devante makes a great point, because the bystanders are the people who watch the fight. How I said that if it's your friend you should try and break it up. The last blog entry said if we knew more about eachother, would we bystand as much. Honestly if we knew the person there wouldn't be as much bystanding, there would be more people lined up to stop whats going on. But I still don't think that bystanders mean epople like violence. The fights aren't violence, some see it as like a sporting event. As long as here isn't anybody killed, they may be bruised but thats great. That's how some percieve it.
ReplyDeleteKristin Nimmers-Mr.Wood
ReplyDeleteWhy people like violence is a question I ask everytime there's a fight at school and everybody runs. This one time especially because I saw one guy get on top of a table and take pictures with his phone, I thought "Why in the world would you want a picture of someone hurting another person?". I think it's kind of just human nature, that it goes way back to even the knight fights on horses and then to duels with guns, it was all to show who's stronger, who's more macho, it's a thing of "respect". In my opinion, people don't really respect a person like that, they fear them, and it's not the same thing but most people don't have that mentality. I can't say that I don't completely understand why people are drawn to violence because I love scary movies, the more gory, and murderous the better. I don't just like gore though, for example movies like Jason (etc.) don't scare me because it's not tactful, or realistic, it's just someone with a knife running around slashing people for the stupidest reasons. I like suspense, so I like movies like Saw and Silence of the Lambs, there's murder and gore but that's not all that it's about. I think the same thing kind of applies in real life, people like the suspense of a fight, like whose going to win, hows he going to take the next hit, whats going to happen after the fight? And sometimes humans are just kind of viscious and like the gore, and the pure hurt of it all, for example boxing. I hate boxing I feel bad for the people getting hurt and I always think about their family in the audience being sad because they see it all. I think media really plays a big part in what we feel is bad or good, like we've all become desensitized to it by now, like I'll admitt I like violence when I know its fake and everybody's alright after. I think it's just the human race, that "inherently evil" portion of us we have to work to overcome.
I have to disagree with what Briana said about Hitler not knowing, and about what violence is. First off, violence, violence isn't something I think we can really speculate a definition to, it just is, if someone is physically hurting another person it's violence. Just because there isn't murder, or the enviroment is a school, doesn't make it okay, because with that argument women who are abused can't claim that it's violence because they aren't dead, or the Columbine incident, or other school shootings, since it was at a school it wasnt violence. It makes no sense to limit violence to hardcore weapons and murder. Also with hitler she said that he didnt know he was being violent, but he had to. He wanted to kill even more than the Jews, everyone who wasnt of his race, was a detriment to the world. He knew of the pain it caused them, they were human regardless of religion. He used violence as a way to get what he wanted with no regards to anything else, he wasnt a lost soul trying to make the world a better place.
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ReplyDeleteJust like everyone said, whenever there is a fight at my school, everyone sprints to see the action, and I myself of doing so. I can't explain why people like violence, but for some reason they do. However, can we take something as simple as a school yard fight, and link it to a genocide? The reason I question this is because most school fights start because of something dumb that both people blew out of proportion. Rarely, the issue of race or sex comes into affect. However, there are some cases, for example the Black vs. Mexican riot that took place at Locke HS, that do play that role. I do see aspects of a school fight that could be connected to a genocide, but i've never witnessed or heard of anything in this nature occuring. A good example of people liking violence is when we were at the museum in the Holocaust exhibit and they showed us how people volunteered to shoot jews. Something like this should be unacceptable, and this is far different from being a bystander, because a bystander just stands and does not affect the situation, but people for example, volunteering to shoot innocent people just to do it, makes the situation worse.
Response to Kristin....
ReplyDeleteKristin, you hit the nail on the head with your comment. You made some very interesting points. "In my opinion, people don't really respect a person like that, they fear them, and it's not the same thing but most people don't have that mentality." This seems to be true in many cases, but what about those who get beat up just because? I've heard of many situations of innocent people getting beat up at school over dumb little things like a phone or an iPod. These people don't do these things for "respect" or do it out of fear, I know people who do things like this just for the "rush" it gives them. Besides that, I completely agree with you. People are ignorant, and I don't think that will ever change. I strongly disagree with the way many people practice violence, but it would be impossible to change that.
PS = OMG your comment is LONG!!!!!! LoL
Violence is entertaining. I'm one of those people who's willing to run over and jump in a tree to see the fight. I want to be in the gossip to see who won or who lost. Fights can occur from almost anything. Boyfriends/girlfriends, gossip, dislike, etc. At a school like King Drew, fights are also rare. So of course when a fight breaks out everyone is going to want to see it. No fight that i've ever seen has resulted in permanent damage to any person except maybe a loss on their fight record. A lot of people get a kick out of violence. What I don't agree with are the genocides and senseless killing of others. Which was one of the things that I realized at the Museum of Tolerance. If someone needs to fight to squash whatever it is that they have, then i say let them fight it out. FIGHTS AREN'T VIOLENCE.. THEY'RE JUST MERE DIFFERENCE OF OPINIONS ON A TOPIC.
ReplyDeleteI agree with Briana Little, I also do not consider a fight violence. It's just two people taking out their anger on each other. That's not violence. I think its just their way of releaving stress. Same as Briana, violence is when you use weapons to harm someone, or you kill someone. Not a fight. Violence is what happend during the Khmer Rouge period of Cambodia. Lots of people in my current book were bystanders to innocent people being murdered, starved, hard labored, etc. Now that's violence. But a fight. No way!
ReplyDeleteAt the Museum of Tolerance, I recall reading a quote: "Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it" by George Santayana--this is quite true and it will continue to happen. I've grown hopeless and honestly think there's nothing we can do. There is a genocide in Darfur happening right now, we all know it but how many of us can make a TRUE difference? I have a question, Mr. Segal or anyone else, what do you want me to do with this Genocide Project? Fast in solidarity with the people in Darfur and then what? is it going to stop the militia from killing or stop the victims from starving? NO.
ReplyDeleteWhy I think people "like" violence is because they repeat what they know, its a reflection of their past treatment. It may be for reasons such as downright mindless vengeance, "fear of", or just following the bandwagon. In my book The Translator, a tribesman's memoir of Darfur by Daoud Hari -- there were rebel troops who killed people that simply appeared suspicious to them. These people needed no persuasion to join these groups because "many of them have seen their famalies murdered..."-they act out with violence because it's what they know and want revenge. They are enraged, emotionally dead, withered and ultimately --ruthless. That's why I think people "like" violence or act out with violence.
In responce to Briana Little, I beg to differ when you say: "Honestly, I really can say that I don't think that a fight at school is considered violence." I have to disagree, because I honestly do think it's acting out with violence or some form of abuse.
ReplyDeleteA fight can be physical abuse and/or even verbal abuse to harm someone in some way, shape or form -it is violence. According to The American Heritage College Dictionary, violence is defined as "Physical force exerted for the purpose of violating, damaging, or abusing. The act or an instance of violent action or behavior..."
A fight at school can be shouting containing verbal abuse, a punch in the stomach, a slap in the face, hair pulling, kicking, nose bleeding...all which I have witnessed. I'm simply stating that fights at schools count as violence to me.
every school has the same propnlem and that is when ever there is afight everyone runs to see who is fighting and to see who wins the fight. nobody breaks up the fight becasue they dont want to be apart of it so they just watch. in the museum of tolerence, i learned that the nazis blamed everything on the jews because evrybody did what the jews do.
ReplyDeletei would agree with devante and brianna because to me fights arent a form of violence its takeiung out anger and fixing a problem in a physical way. its more oike self deffence to me.
ReplyDeletei think some kids get excited from violence because its extremely intense. Its out of control and you never know whats going to happen next. People get more infused when one person is suffering in the fight and the other is winning. They break their neck to see whats going on because, they want something to discuss and relate to. Its all fun and games to them. They dont realize that people are being harmed with violence. They're just filled with adrenaline to see a live fight.
ReplyDeleteAt the museum of tolerance it made me think of violence as a sense of power and hinderance to others. People try to make people feel low to make their selves feel better. its based on spur of the moment excitement.
i agree with devante wilson,fights are mainly for the excitement and gossip. At schools like ours fights are rare, so when there is a fight everyone is so pumpd about it. They want to go rush to see it before the administrators bring to an end. So yes you will see unordinary things such as, people climbing up trees to see a fight!
ReplyDeleteAlot of people are agreeing that fights aren't violence but how can they not be? To those people let me pose a situation, if a husband and his wife get into a "fight", and the husband severely beats his wife "taking his anger out on her", is it violence? The definition of fight is "confrontation between opposing groups in which each attempts to harm or gain power over the other, as with bodily force or weapons." (dictionary.com), if it causes purposeful harm to another person on purpose, ITS VIOLENCE. Regardless of if they are okay after, or they "only" have a couple of bruises, its violence. Even look at the definition of violence "rough or injurious physical force, action, or treatment", no where in that does it say its only force or action with guns etc., force or action that causes injuries period.
ReplyDeleteBrittany Taylor-Segal
ReplyDeleteSome people like violence because it is the way they grew up. During our visit to the Museum of Tolerance we learned that German children were taught slander about Jewish people in their schools. They were given "picture-books" that showed Jewish people with very large noses and as puppet-masters controlling the Germans. They were taught to feel okay about the Jews being controlled and abused.
In the novel "We wish to inform you..." many of the Hutu generals slained Hutu people who felt the killings of the Tutsis were wrong. So I feel many of the Hutu and Tutsi people were afraid to speak out because they didn't want to get hurt. I don't necessarily feel anyone of people of Rwanda like violence I just feel they were afraid.
All of the men in the Hutu army killed because it waws their job and they were "brainwashed" by earlier generations to feel that the Tutsi people were the cause of all of their problems.
Their was just a fight at our school this morning and a lot of people ran towards the fight to see. I beleive many of the children ran towards the fight because there are not that many fights at our school and it is "free entertainment" since many of our peers believe our school is "boring."
in my honest opinion i believe it to be the excitement that violence brings along with it that attracts people to it. not to say that it is perfectly fine to repeatedly beat someone just becuase of the rush but that in itself is the main factor in drawing a crowd to the fight. here at king/drew we experience multiple fights throught the school year. the vast majority of the students that are outside and in the quad are run to see the students brawl over some trivial matter. if one is to simply look at those students who rune over it is easy to see there smiling faces as the watch their fellow peers battle each other. violence is a negative act that persists in our world and will continue to occur becuase so large a number of people condone it due to the excitement and pleasure that they feel when someone commits such an act.
ReplyDeletei think that is a good question. i am not sure why people are attracted to violence, to be honest at times i am atrracted to violence. it might be due to the rush of adrenaline you get from watching it, but i dont think people realize how damaging violence is until they experience it themselves. in the holocaust the naziis were atrracted to violence also. during the tour at the museum of tolerance our guide shared some information with us that was devastating, how the naziis would just shoot jews at random and laugh about it afterwards. i dont understand how people could do that to one another.
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ReplyDeleteidisagree with these three because fighting is DEFINATELY violence, its just a specific form of voiolence. i think that violence is even worse though because fighting can reach high extents, it could be one on one or it can be more than two people. ive seen fights that have gotten very violent. but i dont think that justifies why people always want to see it.
This topic goes back to an interesting discussion Mr. segal, myself and other students were having on friday concerning the strange fascination people have with watching others get hurt- in sports or in simple school fights; I believe its human nature to be drawn to violence, as long as its not one's self being involved. Do we get some sick pleasure in watching fights? YES! To conclude my thoughts, I'll end with a quote from Disney Channel's Even Stevens Movie- "Isn't it funny when its not happening to you?"
ReplyDeleteHey Leti, here i go quickly replying to your question.
ReplyDeleteIf you wanna fast, go ahead. and sure, its not gonna stop the death of masses of people. But the purpose of this assignment is to LEARN about these massacres; it may seem like what we're doing wont help much, but the fact that we're attempting to learn about all these atrocities supports Santayana's idea. If we spread the knowledge that we have received from this project, people will know and remember those horrors, and maybe our children wont be condemned to repeat it :D
It is an unfortunate truth that poeple do like violence, but i believe it only to a certain extent.Fights at school do seem to be more entertaining to the average individual than a mass killing of a race. I dont understand why people are attracted to violence: it may be human nature as Carter stated in his quote. I think it is a sense of control that you are not in the position of the individuals fighting.It relates to the previous blog, people would rather be a bystander than to actually step up and do something.
ReplyDeleteI agree with Brittany Taylor. I do believe that violence is taught at a young age. Your surroundings as a child is what causes your actions as an adult. The young German children being taught at such a young age that jews are dangerous is the perfect example of this.
ReplyDeleteAsking why people like violence is a horrifying general question. I like violence because its amusing--a good car crash every now and then puts a smile on my face; a train crash due to texting makes me happy; a plane crash into a house--art; a guy willingly being murdered and eaten (as happened in Germany), genius. It all depends on the person.
ReplyDeleteThe Museum of Tolerance was the most absurd, nonsensical, and pointless place I've ever been to (aside from school and church). The genocides they covered...nice a tidied up--they neglected to mention US involvement in Guatemala, the hundreds of thousands killed by the US in Cambodia, Serbia, etc--and totally neglected US-sponsored genocide and mass murder in well over a dozen countries. They also absolved Israel of ANY of its complicity--when it itself is a nation built on racism and violations of human rights.
To learn about the Holocaust is trivial and pointless--None of us care about genocide in the Modern era, let alone the past (though we are certainly intrigued). I have been to Guatemala, Thailand, and Mexico--and haven't been moved to do anything for the people in any of those countries. To be truthful, I dont even care about the people here. If i'm not troubled, I dont lose any sleep. If you want people to be "conscious", thats all well and good, but you probably havent done anything actually meaningful to stop genocide. You might get a warm, fuzzy feeling that you "did something", but you didnt/wont ever do anything that puts your life at risk. And if you do, you're an idiot worthy of your fate.
Anywho, the reason the Khmer Ruge was butchering people in Cambodia was out of frustration and desperation following US bombings for years that killed over 500,000 Cambodians. Frustration and desperation leads to insanity.
In response to those who don't consider fighting an act of violence, the fact that you are college bound (at a "good school" in "Advanced Placement" and probably on the "Honor Roll" and considered a "Scholar") terrifies me. I must earnestly put my faith in the idea that the world will end in 2012--I cross my fingers and await a solar explosion that sets the planet on fire.
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That aside, if the intent is to harm another person, to bring discomfort or establish supremacy over another person, it's violence and should be abhorred.
Francisco Coronel-Mr.Wood-Period 6
ReplyDeleteHonestly, it's hard for me to come up with an excuse why people do like violence.I agree with Carter, whenever there is a fight at school no one tries to stop it and not because they like violence but because they just dont want to have anything to do with it,however, most of the time it is because they "like" violence. I'm not sure why people like violence but from what I saw in the Museum of Tolerance, I think Hitler just loved the feeling of being superior than everyone else.
-I would have to disagree with Briana Little."Now if its your friend, you should break it up, you never stand on the sidelines watching your friend fight, or get beat up, that's just wrong."
-I believe that watching anyone get beat up is just wrong. I believe that by saying that it makes that person seem like someone that only cares about themselves and whoever is close to them. I completely disagree with you Briana because to me this is something Hitler had in his mind. However, I do admit that I have never stopped a fight but it's not because I like violence but because I dont want to get into problems and I do recognize that you said that and that is something that I do agree with.
Human beings are innately inclined to indulge in violence and hate. From the ritualistic sacrifices made by the Mayans to the gladiator games held by the Romans, to the professional football league and boxing of modern society, people love to watch and participate in barbaric and violent acts.
ReplyDeletePeople love to watch violent acts as long as they’re not the victim. If someone trips, its funny; if you trip, it hurts like hell. Some people (especially males) also enjoy participating in violence to establish dominance over the other individuals and become the “alpha dog.”
The knowledge we gained from the MOT supported the fact that people like violence. From the overflowing SS squads to the local volunteers who willingly slaughtered their own neighbors, these people took the first opportunity to inflict pain and kill someone without any repercussions.
Friday morning in the quad at King/Drew was a perfect example of the human insatiable desire to see pain. At the first sound of the word “fight,” everyone around me in a 15 foot radius cleared the premises and leaned over a fence or stood on a table to catch a glimpse of the brawl. It’s a sad reality.
Sal, must you always state the obvious?
ReplyDeleteMost people have enough common... (never mind, i take it back)
If people were actually as benevolent and altruistic as we like to believe, society wouldnt have as many problems as it does now.
Hell, if everyone cared about every baby that drowned, every girl that got raped, every child killed, and every innocent person unjustly imprisoned, no one would be able to sleep, AT ALL. We'd all be driven to insanity.
Most people like to think they care and that they actually tried to do something that made someones life better because it helps them sleep soundly at night. most people are trapped in this illusion of false benevolence and hope. However, there are few, VERY FEW who genuinely care about someone or something to do somthing about it.
Bryanna R.-Wood/Jarvis.p.6
ReplyDeleteI believe that people in general like violence because it makes them feel superior to whom ever they are trying to fight. Its human nature to be territorial and i believe that maybe people today feel intimidated by the fact that there are so many people. in regards to the Tolerance Museum, i believe that Hitler and all those others felt intimidated, and therefore felt the need to turn to violrnce in order to feel better and bigger to overcome thier insecurities. in school there are various resons for violence, some being that other students don't respect the personal space of other students,and some being that students feel the need to be, as those tyrants, better and on control of everyone else. With feeling as if they are in power, to them nothing is wrong. Males especially love to catch the attention of the females, and prove dominance to make sure he is the only one left. overall i just believ that we humans feel the need to regard to violence just to make sure that we are secure it whatever mind and world we have, and make sure that no one is doing anything to threaten it.
Violence is a natural thing and its in our nature to destroy ourselves whether we think its wrong or not. As a result of this, we as a species enjoy being violent involuntary thats evidently occuring and will always occur. War is a result for joy in violence and we justify it as a need for a better cause. Pride is a factor that has major effect in our destructive nature and that leads us to fight each other and prove our personal dominance over another person.In our visit to the museum I learned that Hitler was a man that justified the extermination of millions to prove his dominance of the world and he was the only one with the consience to do such a thing. Other than hitler was a troubled man, he was a man whom exercised power with such violence and probably enjoyed what he did. Violence to me is natural thing and something that will be part of every human being. Its the reason why we don't have peace in the world and thats going to be forever.
ReplyDeleteI believe people like violence because for them it is a form of entertainment. I also believe people think it’s funny and makes them feel excited emotionally. While at the Museum of Tolerance I noticed that the Nazis were brutal to the Jews and I couldn’t figure out why they were so violent. My hypothesis is that people like the Nazis like violence because it is something that is exciting and a way to show that you are physically superior to your opponent. Many people like the feeling of being powerful and playing like they are God. In my own experiences I feel that television has a lot to do with it because look at how people pay to see people watch people get beat up i.e. Boxing, wrestling, UFC, and many more sports that are accepted. To me it is crazy that these things are acceptable but a school yard fight is not. It is sending mixed messages to the public and their kids. To promote fighting and violence for events such as boxing is a little ironic to me because I mean are you saying, “If the fight is organized and has a referee it is okay?” If that is the case then a school yard kid can be the referee and the administrators can watch to make sure no one gets hurt to bad.
ReplyDeleteI believe that people are attracted to violence because it is definitely entertainment. As we watch violence on the television we don’t realized the impact it has on the individuals involved. People die, get seriously injured, or humiliated from fights or violence. I’m the type of person that would never attempt to break up a fight because I might get hurt in the process, and that would suck. During the summer after tenth grade I witnessed a very crucial fight. The young girl was getting her head beaten into the concrete and I was scared for her life. It wasn’t until then I realized how life-threatening fights could be.
ReplyDeleteAlthough one may agree that violence is entertaining, genocides ARE NOT, massive killings of specific group is not ok. After attending the museum of tolerance I realized that people really had no specific reason for performing genocides. In the text I’m reading “Taste of Salt” the people in Haiti suffered from a pointless firebombing. It’s all a sad case!
***In response to Briana Little***
ReplyDeleteI respectfully have to disagree with you on the topic that school fights are not violence. School fights are violence they are just a specific type of violence like domestic violence, battery, or assault. Violence is any physical or verbal force that is used against someone to harm, maim, or hurt someone. Violence comes in many forms and school yard fights are just one of the many.
i agree with montiera, some people view violence/fights as a sense of power and authoriy(only if they win)! they enjoy humiliating others and they dont realize the impact it has on individual. its only entertaining to a certain extent.
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ReplyDelete"Whenever there is a fight at my school hundreds of kids run to see someone get beat up." I had barely read this part and my initial thought was that it was this type of animal instinct that people have. It's a part of our human nature. Then I read the rest of the post."Maybe it's television, maybe it's the violence in the streets, maybe it's human nature." I agree by saying that those are all very reasonable factors as to why people may like violence. People might also like violence because it allows them a sense of power. They can think of themselves above another person, or a group, perhaps. An example of that can be the German nazis using extreme acts of violence on the jews and their other targets to show the power they have over them.
Something this post reminds me of is a story we read in class a while back. "In the Barrio".
The opposing sides would fight to show their power over one another. People like violence because of the power.
sierra greer
ReplyDeleteI think people like violence or viewing it because it is enterainment to them. Violence is shown on tv , in movies , and talked about in songs. Although it isn't a positive thing it brings a form of humor and excitment. In example, boxing, people crowd around their television sets in order to watch the big fight and to see who wins, to see who is superior to another. Fights in school is just the same to see who is superior to the other. I think that violence should not be viewed as a form of entertainment. And i am sure that many people agree , those who crowd around fights , possibly shaking their heads in pity because people can be so childish. For some people this is the only way to settle a disagreement , i disagree , i think there are better ways to do so but it takes a bigger person to walk away from something like a fight. Depending on the person they'll know when they've had enough. But this is pure ignorance to me.
kimberly-period6-wood
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I agree that violence is a natural occurence,but it can only be tolerated to a certain extent. Despite that, it's something that we wont be able to completely get rid of. I especially agree that pride is a contributing factor to violence. People are willing to go so far as to die in order to protect that pride. Hitler was a prime example of how pride contributes to violence. He gained authority over others through violence. And that sense of pride that he had is what led to him deciding to kill himself, rather than deing captured. Despite the fact that this time that we live in HAS improved, its something that the human race simply cannot escape. It's in us to fight. Even if people might not want to admit it, I think it's true.
Sunny Earle, -Wood/Jarvis
ReplyDeleteI'm not sure if people like violence as much as they like the position violence puts them in. Let me clarify this, if you say to someone "do you like violence?" However I'm sure if you asked a person if they have ever been in a fight, seen a boxing match, or watched a fight either at school or in the street, unless that person has been living under a rock they are going to say yes to atleast one of the above mentioned. I don't think that people necessarily enjoy seeing someone else get beat up (then again I can not speak for everyone) but I do think that when people watch fights it makes them feel less vulnerable. Think about it after the fight, there is usually atleast one person in the crowd is either thinking or saying that they could probably beat up one of the parties involved in the fight. Seeing someone who you feel may be a strong or brave candidate get harmed makes the person seem a lot less strong and brave, and it gives someone who is probably suffering from esteem issues an ego boost. Its a shame that it takes someone getting harmed to make people feel better about themselves.
After visiting the museum of tolerance, it made me sad to see that so many people were killed by parties who had absolutely NOTHING to do with Hitler. It seemed like people were just killing others because it was the "thing to do". The exhibit I went through at the museum of tolerance focused mainly on the violence excercised on the Jews, but violence is excercised by everyone and has been for as long as any of our ancestors can remember.
According to our reading, jews were forced to wear the star of davis and were discriminated against in art work sicne the 13th cventury...way before Hitler!
Its sadt that hate and violence have corrupted our world for so long, and that people have to turn to that to make up for things that make them feel inadequate about themselves
I agree with Briana that Hitler "believed getting rid of the Jews was the best thing to do beacuse they were corrupt". However the tactics and forcet that he used, displayed pure hatred and I'm sure that Hitler knew that he was using extreme violence and I am even more sure that he enjoyed it. Hitler was a punk and a coward, when he realized that he was going to lose the war, he killed himself rather than fighting untill the end and taking the consequences of his beleifs. I'm sure that he would of been killed regardless, but atleast he would have died for something he beleived in.
ReplyDeleteLetcia: "A fight at school can be shouting containing verbal abuse, a punch in the stomach, a slap in the face, hair pulling, kicking, nose bleeding...all which I have witnessed. I'm simply stating that fights at schools count as violence to me." I COMPLETELY AGREE. violence is violence and i don't think that exceptions or excuses should be made, wether it be "self-defense", "revenge" or whatever else once someone had the intention to harm another person and acts on those intentions it becomes VIOLENCE and whether you think that your intentions make your violence "ok" or that your situation causes for a pardon, its does not. if Martin Luther King, or Ghandi can break down barriers of opression by standinf up for their beliefs WITH OUT the use of violence, and if they can actually make an impact and change THE WORLD without the use violence, then what gives us the right to mess that up with violence?
Taveeona Harvey
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Violence has always been something fun to watch. In today's society, we are often desensitized to the seriousness behind violence, taking school fights as mini episodes of the violence we see in the media. Becoming desensitized to violence is becoming accustomed to taking drug, each time less disguisting then it was before. This is dangerous, because once you become accustomed to seeing, hearing and doing the same things over and over, its hard to break that mold. Violence has done that to our society, making us indifferent to murder. In the Museum of Tolerance, many nations found particular groups of people to blame for their problems, killing innocent lives for no reason, and not even feeling a bit of guilt. Yes, and there were bystanders watching, and didnt bother to save them. Of course some Hutu people helped the Tutsi, but many watched in insensible amazement, accepting genocide is a way of life, when it just as violence in the media is not.
in my opinion those in our communities like violence and result to it because that is all they have known growing up. most people i kno that are of a violent nature are that way because they recieve a rush out of seeing others in pain which is a terrible thing. when i went to the museum of tolerance it portrayed violence as a sense of power. it seemed as though the nazis loved to see the jews hurt and putting them through pain. it appeared to me that they liked the feeling of being in control and being able to control the lives of others.
ReplyDeleteKing/Drew, unlike most high school campuses in the area, is not known for violence exhibited by its students. And in my opinion, something that is not as common is a lot more exciting. Thus, we have students running from all over campus to witness a peer try and "Defend their honor" in a fist-fight. I have to admit, I used to be one of those students, ready to drop what I was doing in a second to witness a long-awaited fight. Violence is all the more appealing when it does not involve you, and therein lies the appeal.
ReplyDeleteIn the Museum of Tolerance, we learned of German citizens rejoicing in watching the brutality against Jews and other oppressed people simply because it was not them, and if they did not participate in watching such action, they were seen as guilty and a target. Likewise in the Rwandan genocide, journalist and author Philip Gourevitch told of Hutus that had to kill because if they did not, they were siding with the Tutsis in the eyes of the majority. Violence served as a sign of allegiance.
i agree with taveeona people in communities have become accustomed to the violence that occurs everyday which makes it seem okay. it will never be okay to hurt innocent people and do things jus to get satisfaction out of the pain one suffers
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I agree with Asia. It is a sad case for there to be people standing by watching injustice and violence occur without interceding. While in Asia's case it is best to stay out of it, I choose to help. I am not afraid of getting hurt, because I can't jst allow violence to go on and nothing be done about it. Violence is a serious matter, and if there is something I can do to help save someone's life, better yet my own, I won't back down from doing so.
I believe that not everyone like's violence. There are some people who do not run to the fights and who do not try to get a better view. I personally belive that whenevr there is a fight and a person runs to it, they are doing nothing more than making the situation worst. It's like the people who are ingaging in violence need that attention to egg them on and make them want to fight morea dn vigerously.
ReplyDeleteSome people engage in violence because that's all they know. People only go by what they have seen and have heard. There are t.v. shows that promote violence, and young simple minded children follow what they have seen. Cartoons, children films always have some sort of violence in them and/or creates a violent caracter.
In response to Sal's response....
I feel that if you want "your" life to end that there are ways to do so. But to want the entire world to end because some people express their anger by violence, then we need to talk ;).
*In response to Taveeona*
ReplyDeleteI agree that violence is a large part of today's media. Even growing up, violence was a part of shows like Mighty Morphin' Power Rangers where the heroes had to defeat the enemy with a final battle. If movies aren't romance, they must have a fight content. All action movies have fight scenes. Heck, even Twilight was filled with it. Violence has become so common that we now post youtube videos of it. How can we move forward if we take a step back with each video posted?
Violence is something that surrounds this entire society. It is constantly played on the media and acts of violence are supported through movie and television. It is a true problem in todyas society that need to be solved because what is eventually going to happen, is that there is going to be a generation of people that is fueled by violence. it is up to todays society to bring a change for the better of the future of this world...
ReplyDeleteViolence is fun to watch it is showned everywere: TV, Movies, Songs, Internet and real life. It is only fun when it happens to somebody else but some people do know when enough is enough. When we see violence in Movies and other entertainment we laugh about it beacuse we know it is fake but when it is a documentary or something that happend to real people it's not funny. We always want to have front row seats when their is a girl fight.I do agree with Kimberly that violence is a natural occurence, but what I do disagree is that she says that it is "tolerated to a certain extent". What do you mean by a ceartain extent? Does it mean more violence? Because violence will never get better but it will get worse. Since when has violence been better? Its never been better and sadly it will never get better( in my opinion). The book " We wish to inform you that tommorow we will be killed with our families" has nothing but violence but violence always starts off as hate and/or jelousy. The Tutsis vs. the Hutus. Everything started as hate and then ended up as violence the Hutus murdering the Tutsis cutting them with machetes because the Hutus said " guns are not the right thing to kill a Tutsis with they deserve to suffer".
ReplyDeleteI dont necessarily think that people like violence i just think that enough people dont oppose it. So from the outside looking in looks like everyone is enjoying the vioence but most people are just scared to go against the majority. Most students at King/Drew charecterize it as being boring, so when anything happens with even a little bit of excitement then everyone rushes to see what's going on. Personally I dont enjoy violence but i can say that I have rushed to see fights at school myself.In my book "Taste of Salt" the preacher Titid is against violence,hate.and discrimination. In the novel the Haitians were targeted and bombed because others viewed them as inferior to them. Titid caught Djo making two crickets fight and when djo said that it was a game . Titid responded by saying, "only a game, to make two creatures hate and fight". No one should get enjoyment out of hate. Titid also said,"do small insects be not made by god". Nothing or nobody deserves to be hated because they are different. Visiting the musuem of tolerance and hearing the guest speaker I realized how violent and heartless the soldiers were that killed all those people, and to think just because they were different, had different religions, or just because they looked different! It's a shame
ReplyDeleteI agree with Devante because although i am not a fan of viloence it can be entertaining =). I know that sounds bad but there are different versions of violence, A fight on the schoolyard versus a gang of guys brutally abusing one person.I would not enjoy the type of violence that is brutal and damaging. Violence has a negative meaning but there are many differnt types of violence and it depends on the type of person you are.
ReplyDeleteThe fact that people crowd around a fight is not necessarily because they like it but because they find it amusing or have nothing better going on. It's the interest not love for it that draws their attention. The reason individuals fail to intervene can be attributed to fear or because they don't know the poeple fighting. As we tackled in the last prompt, people do not speak out or act in defense of others because they know little about them and don't find it worth putting themselves at risk for people they don't know or know little about. As I learned at the museum of tolerance however, it is the intervention of others that mends the problem. At the museum of tolerance, I learned about the millions that died through genocides in the twentieth century alone as we played ibnteractive games that taught me to speak out or at least make people aware of a problem. In Facing History & Ourselves, I read a short passage about a man who witnessed the brutal murder of a woman that was put on a cross and dragged through the town as people paraded around her dead body. The reason for her murder: her attempt to marry a jewish man. In this story, the people that paraded around the dead woman did indeed like violence toward the jews or anyone associated with jews. The man unlike the bystanders we discussed in the last prompt, came back to America and spoke out to the media about what he had witnessed. Though he was argued against, he still made people consider the rumors of genocide in Germany. In my novel, there are also the bystanders and those individuals that stand around observing the violence. In Buried Secrets, Victoria Sanford tells an anecdote of a mayan woman who was teased and made fun of by Guatemalan soldiers as other mayans watched with fear. These individuals (the mayans) observed the torture not because they enjoyed it but because they feared not knowing what would happen to the woman. Nor did they act because of fear.
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Everyone enjoys watching violence because they support the media. They do not necessarily like watching people fight but its something that entertains them for a while. People also tend to watch violence because they have been watching such a thing while growing up, so its something normal for them to do. When we watch violence we don’t realized the harmful effects it has on the individuals involved. We tend not to break these habits because we are too scared to get hurt ourselves. Most poeple who watch these fights really don't have anything else to do.
ReplyDeleteI agree with Walter A.
ReplyDelete"Violence is something that surrounds this entire society. It is constantly played on the media and acts of violence are supported through movie and television. It is a true problem in todyas society that need to be solved because what is eventually going to happen, is that there is going to be a generation of people that is fueled by violence. it is up to todays society to bring a change for the better of the future of this world..." violence is something normal that occurs everyday and it wont stop until we understand that this is something that is harmful for us and future generations. If we dont change our habits we wont see a difference. Thanks to this influence of violence we tend to cause bigger events like wars and genocides. We need a change!!!!!!!!!
I agree with Arah's response that people do not act because of fear but stay around to watch for the show. Fights can be entertaining in a school like ours where nothing else happens. While this does not justify our need to watch, it makes sense that students get excited to see something different. I personally do not enjoy watching someone getting their life beat out of them, however if there's a fight, i often find myself tempted to watch. Boxing & UFC fighters are another story. For some reason i dont mind watching them bleed (then again, they're getting paid for it).
ReplyDeletePeople are violent because they feel its only way to approach their conflicts with others. Violence is entertaining to audiences and a way that people can demand respect amongst their peers. Media is a major contributor to violence. Why do you think the WWF is a multi-million dollar industry? Wrestling can brainwash the younger audience into trying dangerous moves on the street or at school. Before my first day of grade school, my mother told me if someone hits me, then hit them back. My teachers suggest that I should tell them first before the conflict gets hectic. After grade school, my mentality changed as well as my opinion on fights, so I started to disagree with my mom and believe that violence is never the answer. On my recent visit to the tolerance museum I participated in a cyber-bullying exercise, which was emotional for me because I was once a victim of bullying and let me tell you, it affected me emotionally and physically with violence. After this activity, I realized fights are created by more than one person, therefore violence is created by more than one person. If there’s a one-on-one fight usually the crowd is full of their followers, posse, clique, or protégé.
ReplyDeletePeople are violent because they feel its only way to approach their conflicts with others. Violence is entertaining to audiences and a way that people can demand respect amongst their peers. Media is a major contributor to violence. Why do you think the WWF is a multi-million dollar industry? Wrestling can brainwash the younger audience into trying dangerous moves on the street or at school. Before my first day of grade school, my mother told me if someone hits me, then hit them back. My teachers suggest that I should tell them first before the conflict gets hectic. After grade school, my mentality changed as well as my opinion on fights, so I started to disagree with my mom and believe that violence is never the answer. On my recent visit to the tolerance museum I participated in a cyber-bullying exercise, which was emotional for me because I was once a victim of bullying and let me tell you, it affected me emotionally and physically with violence. After this activity, I realized fights are created by more than one person, therefore violence is created by more than one person. If there’s a one-on-one fight usually the crowd is full of their followers, posse, clique, or protégé.
ReplyDeleteIn my opinion, it's not necessarily violence that people like. I think it's more about the hype, the excitement that something is happening, something new. Besides, since the dawn of time, it has been human nature for violence to occur. Think about it, The Cavemen, Medieval Times, The Elizabethan Era, Slavery, etc. The Lorenzian Theory proves this true that all humans are born with innate deravity, meaning they are naturally "evil". This is what makes our sense of right and wrong and why it is so dificult to do the right hting sometimes, or to even know what the right thing is.
ReplyDeleteIn response to Monique W. I understand exactly what your saying. I agree completely. She says people are violent because they feel they have no other way to confront others and it is their sense of control over someone. That makes sense because I know that I definately like others telling me what to do or having any feeling that they are superior to me. Because of these feelings I dont act violently, but I want to sometimes. Although what she says "violence is not the answer" is true, many people do not carry a peaceful state of mind like she does and this is what causes violence.
ReplyDeleteI agree with Courtney S., it’s unfortunate that people like violence. The rage of a person striking their opponent in the neck seems entertaining, right? I can’t come to the realization of why people (bystanders) enjoys fights; is it the blood trickling down a fighter’s face after a sucker punch or the noise of the crowd of instigators. In my novel We wish to inform you that tomorrow we will be killed with our families, the narrator (a bystander) is fascinated by a man butchering a cow with a machete, which reminded him of commanders demanding the mass murders of the Hutus people. Just like I said in my first response, violence is a way to demand respect and the Tutsi wanted that respect from the Hutus.
ReplyDeleteI do believe its human nature to be evil. you really cont go around knowing whats going to hurt someone else, for instance you go out with your neighbor not knowing that your cousin that goes to the same school adores him. Some people would claim that as an evil action. Like what Thomas Hobbes said "of the voluntary acts of every man, the object is some good to himself", going back to my example and what Selene Millan said (which i will respond later on) When you decided to go out with your Next door neighbor it was for your well being but you didn't mean to hurt your cousin? or did you? or why did she never tell you? There was already some evil/bad tensions brewing around.
ReplyDeleteMan can be evil even when it comes down to killing. Like in the museum of tolerance when a general (from the Nazi party) gave his men the right to drop their weapons and leave, no man took the offer. Like fights they where in the thrill of being part of a bigger picture, as long as the harm wasn't happening to them.
Or like in the readings of Facing History and Ourselves when Amelia Valdez's brother joins the gang to "protect" the family. to fight back. to be tangled in the community violence.
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i agree that it is human nature to be drawn into violence as well as to act on it.
The media often portray violence as the only solution to any kind of conflict. The bad guys punch and batter and shoot their way out. But so do the good guys now. Only their weapons are faster, sharper and slicker. When we are left with no other alternatives but violence so we too end up believing that it is the only solution.
ReplyDeleteViolence in the media affects us in many ways. At first we are repelled by it. But slowly as we watch more and more we actually become numb to it. We come to a point when it does not affect us any more. And when we stop reacting to it on the screen, we begin to stop reacting to it in real life too. We get used to it and even find it satisfying. At school we find it entertaining not paying attention that there is always a victim...suffering. This past week we learned that the Nazi group blamed the troubles of the economy on the Jews and no one stood up instead the majority participated in cruel acts towards the Jews. Even when it came to shaming the Jews in the streets or to kill innocent people.
"What makes people like violence?"
ReplyDeleteTo be honest, that question had never crossed my mind despite leaving in a neighborhood where I frequently see kids my age engage in such behavior. I could simply say that I have no idea, which is kid of what I think, but I also believe that how and where an individual grows, what they're taught, exposed to, their overall surroundings can determine why many of us enjoy such behavior like violence. I myself am not a fan of witnessing a fight or any related behavior, but it seems that atleast for teenagers, peer pressure can really get to one, as well as the want and desired to benoticed a.k.a. "popular." I recall in middle school how I was part of the "popular" clique, and now that I think about it, it was probably because my friend constantly got in fights and arguments with other girls from different cliques, because really, fights are attention grabbers;with or without reason. Furthermore, I do ponder why is it that people whi can themselves "leaders" can be the ones to purpose and carry on such brutal acts and injustices against innocent people. In regards to that, I believe that the media, a person's belief, and outside influences play a significant role. For example, at the Museum of Tolerance, i recall how the Jewish children were brought up and taught to hate jews, and to mistreat them; as well as how in the bullying section, the need to be known and feel important can lead tio hurting others. Meanwhile during the Armenian genocide it was the young turks need for entertainment. I guess that even the little aspcts in life, and the past overall, impact our actions.
I believe that people are drawn to violence because of the suspense that a fight or violent act brings upon the eyes of society. Even though people "like" violence and some may honor it as a form of distraction, violence is only fun until that violence happens to them. Those who are violent against others will most likely not consider ending the violence until they feel that same violence happening to them. In "Rape Warfare," for example, men rape women because they feel pleasure in the violence they create against women, but maybe if something similar were to happen to them where they would lose their "manhood" they would stop that violence against women. Violent situations can can however actually be the other way around, meaning that those who are violent enjoy being violent because they feel that it serves as a form of revenge for the violence that they once experienced. Society may be drawn to violence for various reasons, but it is ultimately difficult to avoid it because being attracted to violence is simply a part of human nature.
ReplyDeleteIN RESPONSE TO THOSE WHO FEEL SCHOOL FIGHTS ARE NOT VIOLENCE...
ReplyDeleteI FEEL THAT SCHOOL FIGHTS DO CONTAIN VIOLENCE. A CONSTANT BULLYING/HARRASSMENT ADDS UP UNTIL THE VICTIM CANNOT BARE ANY LONGER. IN LAST WEEK'S FIELDTRIP BULLYING WAS MENTION, ALSO THE COLUMBINE HIGH SCHOOL SHOOTING: WHERE TWO BOYS KILLED 12 PEERS, INJURED MANY OTHERS BEFORE COMMITTING SUICIDE.
brooke brewer.wood.per.6
ReplyDeletewell i think people like violence because it provides a sense of protection and it is an adrenaline rush. i say it givs a sense of power because the people inflicting the violence feel that their opponent is less than them and/or has the potential to hurt them so they use the violence to hide their true selves and bully others like at the m.o.t., we saw people who were helping to kill the jews and from a disscussion in class i saw that those people gave up theirselves and hid their heart. it comes from a lack of fellings for one another, to hide our pain we use vilence, fighting fire with fire in a sense.
Erika C....
ReplyDeleteI totally agree with Kimberly. Violence is influenced by human nature and the media. It may be the need for vengeance of an individual because of past experiences, or it can be provoked by the media, hence most of the tiime all the portray is the negativity that surrounds us. Like kim, I also believe it can be the need and want of power. Like I previously mentioned, popularity can be of a great deal.
I agree with Stella. When we begin to watch violence either on television, a movie, or in a fight at school, we might at first feel like turning away because we know it is wrong. However, if we continue to watch, it becomes more difficult to turn away. We become not necessarily accustomed to it, but instead placed into somewhat of "trance" in which we cannot turn back of because we want to watch what happens next. As we begin to watch violence we feel as though we should resist from watching, but the suspense the violence brings keeps us there wanting more without us even thinking of the true harm that is occurring against others.
ReplyDeleteOne's attraction to hate and violence is human nature. It's the way people are raised, it's what they witness day after day. It's part of their lives. The crowds which encourages the fight does not attempt to stop it because they are either not familiar with the individuals or because they don't feel they can make a difference in the situation or maybe because they fear the outcome of their involvement. Most hate and harassment ( violence overall ) is based on ignorance. People fear what they don't understand. In this case, the students running and climbing trees to get a better view of who's getting beat do not know they, themselves can prevent this from repeating later on. I learned at the Museum of Tolerance that the German citizens watching the Jews getting beat and mistreated did it because they had no choice. Either they witnessed this hatred or they became the victims, it wasn't for entertainment or because they had nothing better to do, they were forced to. However, in today's society I feel people have a choice to stand up against or witness violence. In Buried Secrets by Victoria Sanford a Mayan woman who is bullied and made fun of by Guatemalan soldiers. Other Mayans observed this womans torture because they feared for her and her future,they did not know what else to do to protect her. They feared not fitting into the norms instead of embracing their difference and defending their own.
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I do not agree that people are attracted to violence because it is entertaining, i feel that people getting killed, injured, or humiliated from fights is not a type of past time activity. I have broken up fights and also been involved in a few, but it's not based on entertainment, people fight because thats possibly the only way they were taught to solve disagreements. However, I do fear for my life and the other persons. I also agree that the the massive killings of a group is serious and should have never occurred or continue to.
People drool over violent situations because the human species is one of savages and beasts.
ReplyDeleteThe progress and superiority we've established over the rest of the natural world is merely a facade that hides the truly sickening complexion of the human psyche. I got jumped once for no reason while walking to school...not entertaining for me but very much so for the 5, 14 year olds hitting the 9 year old boy.
I didn't gain anything from the museum of tolerance. It was so pointless I didn't even capitalize it in my last sentence.
ok here we go...I'll be nice this time Mr.Segal
ReplyDeleteMartin Figueroa: "They do not necessarily like watching people fight but its something that entertains them for a while." umm, if something entertains you....YOU LIKE IT.
To the people saying school fight aren't violence: www.dictionary.com
Andrew Do: You took 2 sentences worth of thoughts and stretched it into an essay. Stop doing that.
Taveeona Harvey: Humans have been desensitized of violence long before t.v came along. And to expect people cry everytime they announce a homocide on the news is ridiculous. Oh and drugs are not disgusting...
Walter Amaya: "It is a true problem in todyas society that need to be solved because what is eventually going to happen, is that there is going to be a generation of people that is fueled by violence." ughh ok, are you completely unaware of any of the events that have occured since the birth of this species? wars, genocides, crusades....ring a bell? humans have and always will be violent.
Segal--Lorena
ReplyDeleteViolence is something that has been going for many years, whether to defend your honor, title, piece of land or to prove your worth something. I believe its been part of our nature more due to tradition than because it's part of our genes. Violence occurs because the person instigating sees no other option of gettin his or her way. Take for example on my trip to the Museum of Tolerance I realized that Adolf Hitler gave the Jews a chance to flee the country before he beagn the concentration camps as a sort of violence to get rid of the imperfection he did not agree with.
Response to Kristin Nimmers.
I thought your idea of relating the horror/scary movies to the topic was very interesting. I also agree with you on the fact that the media plays a huge part in what is bad or good, and now a days we go along a lot with what the media has to say to us. Yet like you said it is our job to over come the "inherently evil portion of us." In this case we have to over come all the other voices that tell us that violence is good and look for the way out in which will make violence secondary and not something that is a must to do for entertainment.
(IM ALWAYS THE LAST ONE)Edson- Senor Segal.
ReplyDeleteWe are all sadist (refrain from sexual psychology).According to Merriam-Webster, sadism is enjoyment in cruelty. Considering that we are apt to behave beastily, and we obtain pleasure from observing violence; at this point, if you all have not,there is nothing worse that can describe the human race, but naturally perverse for lack of a better word. Reason doesn't equivalate to order/peace. The past narrates the attempt of all the self declared "superior" nations and group of people, to establish the well being of their society by imposing expectations of civility. Yet, our most impulsive acts of aggression, reflect the opposite and indeed reflect our most animalistic traits. We can't denie we are animals. The visit to the Museum of Tolerance exhibited the intentions of Germany, as well of other countries driven by illogical religious zelousness to maintain a certain ideal visible in its population. Even if we negate the relevance of violence in our quotidian lifes, media and world, we can't do anything about it to retain it and stop it. As many people have written (im not quoting everyone), we love violence. We love seeing others get hurt, and we receive entertainment from violence as well. We can't rewind and recontruct our genetics linked with our behavior. Heh, some may say we are a complete existential mistake. But corny as it may sound, we are humans, we make all the mistakes. woop-dedoo.
As a result of visiting the Museum of Tolerance, I believe people "like" violence and hatred because it makes the person that is destroying humanity or a person's self-esteem feel superior and the victim inferior. The enemy feels as if they are in total control of the situation. People stand around and watch fights because it is somewhat amusing to them seeing others get hurt. This assumption was from obsevations at King/Drew and the Museum of Tolerance.
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ReplyDeleteI agree that violence is shown throughout the media; therefore people are under the influence the media is providing on television. I believe that fighting for respect is idiotic because I feel that those people fighting do not even have respect for themselves. There is no need to stoop down to another person' level.
I definitely agree with Lorena's statement, " to defend your honor, title, piece of land or to prove your worth something". I remember once entering a conversion involving Dr. Graeber and Andrew pertaining to genocide. Of course, Dr.G, referred to a theory that I don't quite remember, that approached genocide as a result of over population and competition for diminishing resources. Without ignoring our possessive nature and considering the evident decrease in geographical space in large areas, extend genocide beyond an ethical dilemma. We all act based response to psychological discomfort, which transcends into societal trends of behavior.
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ReplyDeleteKaneca Pompey-Segal
ReplyDeletei think violence is just ingrained into the human race. from early own violence has been a form of entertainment(gladiators in ancient Rome) or a way to prove that you are a man and more powerful than the person you beat(like the Nazi's overpowering the jews through violence).
I agree with Ruddie. violence unfortunately is apart of human nature. the human race is constantly surrounded by it. we see it in the media, in our schools, and even on the streets. we can't get away from it. so we learn to live with it, and i guess even, for the majority of people, start to enjoy it.
ReplyDeleteFights at school is only a minor example of how humans enjoy or get a rush from violent action. The only justifiable reason I have to support this notion is the fact that violence is so dominant within our history and has been around for so long , it has been interwined in human behavior as acceptable. The media most definitely places a stronger effect on violence making it tolerated within our society. Younger individuals are most vulnerable and opem-minded so they pick up these horrible habits as well as allowing it to serve as a form of entertainment. Therefore, when a fight breaks out at school , there's a huge rush evryone has to see. It's entertainment. No one will be willing to break up something they're amused by. The media is not entirely to blame though , i believe that violence has become so repetitive in our pasts that it has been embedded within ourselves and within human nature. The media has just done an outstanding job at emphasizing its negativity.
ReplyDeleteUmmm. . . fights are acts of violence - HELLO ! why else would you get dismissed from school for it . Stop blaming the media , you people are animals with or without their help :)
ReplyDeletein my opinion, fights are a act of violence or aggression towards another group of people or a person. i think its human nature to want to see fights depending on what kind of fight it is. if it is a school fight, people would wanna see it because its basic human nature. i cant really explain it with synopsis because this is a difficult topic to say whether or not everyone likes fights.everyone has their own opinion on fights, and why people fight. i like fights because i get to see one person beat up another person, because its funny, which reminds me of boxing, or wrestling. what makes people who wanna see fights different from people who watch professional fights like UFC or WWE.
ReplyDeletei agree with kai.k. fights are a basic act of violence towards a person. no matter how much people say they aren't, they are. for example you wouldnt fight your best friend without a specific reason fighting him/her.
ReplyDeleteBrittany Taylor-Segal
ReplyDeleteI agree with Kaiulani also. Fights are acts of violence. You can't put it any other way. You wouldn't hit someone for no reason. There is a reason for every action you make.
Kanesha- Segal
ReplyDeleteWhy do people like violence? I think its mankind at its basic most animalistic state that both terrifies and fascinates all involved. For those involved in the fight it a matter of who comes out victorious-who has the most power and for those watching the scene I believe they wait on the outcome as a final decision on who to follow. The one who wins is the one with more power and besides possibly providing entertainment the fight bestows upon the winner the honor of respect, by way of fear or a rightfully deserved win. Machiavelli’s question of whether it is better to be loved or feared when ruling comes to mind. As in the Jewish holocaust and Armenian genocide, fear was clearly chosen. In the Armenian genocide average Turks watched the horrors being inflicted and yet did nothing; with loses from resistance and protest movements on the part of the Armenians the Turks saw how powerful Sultan Hamid was and feared of the same fact being inflicted on them. I believe people watch fights to learn who is powerful, who should be respected, feared or commended and I think they watch for the latent gratification that comes with knowing it is not them who is being hurt.
Kanesha-Segal
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i agree with Selene in response to Leticia.
Learning and understanding how and why thee genocides/massacres occured will help prevent history from repeating itself. If we witness certain acts in the future that resembles actions taken in the past that lead to mass murders then we can stop it from reaching such horrific levels